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Post by razorbacks on Mar 25, 2021 19:56:55 GMT -5
To all mods - just like your thoughts on the league rule - Integrity of the Game, as stated below; INTEGRITY OF THE GAME CLAUSE Teams are required to keep their top 7 players in the active lineup if they do not plan on setting their lineup every day. If a team cannot decide on their top 7, I will make that executive decision. Any team suspected of tanking will receive a warning. If the team continues to display signs of tanking, they will be fined $10,000,000 effective the following season. A third offense will result in loss of a draft pick. If an owner breaks this rule for a fourth time, they will be removed from the league. Just looking at the Seattle v Kansas City matchup ... Seattle's linup has been set as; Mon 22 - full lineup set Tues 23 - empty lineup (all rostered players left on the bench) Wed 24 - full lineup set Thurs 25 - empty lineup (3 of 4 rostered players left on the bench) Basically Seattle is forfeiting the week so Kansas win the round ... Thoughts
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Post by crossover (Golden St. GM) on Mar 25, 2021 20:10:23 GMT -5
Has anyone heard from Seattle?
It appears he has not been on in a while.
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Post by Miege22 on Mar 25, 2021 20:35:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on. I just emailed him. He was just on three days ago, so he's definitely around. I saw he forgot Tuesday, thought, "well, that's a bummer for him." When he got them set last night, I thought we were good, then tonight happened.
The thing is... I don't know if I would call this tanking. The tanking clause was instituted to keep people from intentionally losing to better their draft pick. Not only is Seattle not a lotto team, but he doesn't even have his own pick. I guess the argument is that losing gets, potentially, a weaker opponent in the playoffs, but Seattle has not clinched a spot. Not only does losing risk his playoff spot, but it also makes it likelier that he faces Houston in the first round. Long story short, there's no real benefit to intentionally losing this match-up. This leads me to believe that he either forgot, or that he thought his lineups were set.
I hesitate to tell playoff teams that they can't do what they need to to avoid certain match-ups. For example, if the #1 seed appears weaker than the #2 seed, it may make sense for a team to drop into the fourth spot. Like I mentioned, this doesn't really fall into either category, which leads me to believe that he's simply forgot. Since that's two times now, I can make sure his lineups are set
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Post by razorbacks on Mar 25, 2021 20:52:22 GMT -5
Still looks suss to me ... sets line-up, doesn't set line-up, sets line-up, doesn't set line-up ... So you can lose a game to suit your ladder position for the finals BUT you can't lose games to get a better draft position ?? Seems like double standards to me ...
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Post by Miege22 on Mar 25, 2021 21:00:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean, I totally get that argument. And I don't necessarily think it's wrong. I still think they're two entirely different things since one can lead to artificially inflate your talent (in theory), while the other is done (again, in theory) to improve your chances of winning a title in that season, which is ultimately what we want from all teams, to try and compete for a title every year.
I don't know, I can see both sides of that argument.
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Post by razorbacks on Mar 25, 2021 21:14:39 GMT -5
All good mate - just putting it out there.
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Post by Miege22 on Mar 25, 2021 21:18:57 GMT -5
I hear ya. And it doesn't sit right with me either. I had just mentioned it to richardson before your post.
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Post by Tampa Bay Bull Sharks on Mar 25, 2021 22:02:45 GMT -5
I get the argument. I see Utah’s points and understand the frustration and pointing this out. I see where you’re coming from. But I’m not sure if the lineups not being set is nefarious. Heck, he missed setting against me a day or two on our matchup this season.
But I guess I struggle to see the logic in why Seattle wouldn’t set lineups this week. If he loses this week and next week, and if Portland loses this week, he misses the playoffs. If he loses this week and Portland wins this week, then it’s really a tough spot for next week because whoever loses would drop to the 4 seed to play Houston. Not sure it would be wise to gamble your season or potential seed instead of just playing to win.
For the record, I have never had a problem with trying to play for playoff positions once you’ve clinched a spot. I view it entirely separate from tanking. Others may disagree but I don’t view them as on the same level.
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Post by Miege22 on Mar 25, 2021 22:33:06 GMT -5
Ultimately though, razorbacks, I do agree that it's suspect as hell. And I think there's actually a really simple solution to this that I'm going to just do, and I don't think anyone will have a problem with it. We just change the rule so that teams cannot intentionally lose to adjust their seeding/playoff opponents until they themselves have officially clinched a playoff spot.
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Post by Sir Poopy, Duke of Poop on Mar 25, 2021 23:27:33 GMT -5
Ultimately though, razorbacks, I do agree that it's suspect as hell. And I think there's actually a really simple solution to this that I'm going to just do, and I don't think anyone will have a problem with it. We just change the rule so that teams cannot intentionally lose to adjust their seeding/playoff opponents until they themselves have officially clinched a playoff spot. 🧐
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Post by teefbe on Mar 26, 2021 9:11:23 GMT -5
I'll just say that I believe we shouldn't be allowed to "tank" our seeding when there's playoff implications for other teams on the line. It's just not fair. I hope this isn't the case.
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Post by fernans (MIAMI HEAT) on Mar 26, 2021 11:16:11 GMT -5
I'll just say that I believe we shouldn't be allowed to "tank" our seeding when there's playoff implications for other teams on the line. It's just not fair. I hope this isn't the case. i agree with this
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Post by Miege22 on Mar 26, 2021 11:41:54 GMT -5
I have updated the rule, and I am making sure Seattle's lineups are set the rest of the week. I still haven't heard back from him, so based on that and everything already laid out here, I really think we're dealing with someone who simply forgot. It's tough, but it's not out of the ordinary. It's why we always ask teams to give myself or a mod a heads up if they need their lineups checked because they know they're going to be busy.
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Post by Sir Poopy, Duke of Poop on Mar 26, 2021 11:48:23 GMT -5
I think it’s a bit unfair we’re making such a drastic rule change right in the middle of the season. I think this should be done after the season. This issue was never brought up early in the season. It seems a little suspect that all of a sudden it is being brought up.
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Post by razorbacks on Mar 26, 2021 12:12:40 GMT -5
Totally agree with KC ... any rule change should without doubt be next year
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