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Post by Miege22 on Jun 30, 2017 20:22:19 GMT -5
I'm opening this to the league after we had some great conversations in the mod lounge. Here are some of the ideas that were discussed:
1. Raise the minimum salary to 500K on all bids. 2. Multi-year contracts must be $1 mil per year, minimum 3. Shorter contracts for draft picks (2 years, 3rd year option, 4th year increase) 4. Require a $2 mil bump on option years for re-signs 5. Move to 4 re-signs again (this allows more players to go through the re-sign process = more realistic contracts for more players)
If anyone has any thoughts on those topics, or on any other ideas, please post here. We would love to come away with one or two rule changes to better this league.
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Post by Seattle Sonics GM (diadhuit) on Jun 30, 2017 23:07:45 GMT -5
1. Raise the minimum salary to 500K on all bids - I like the way it is now at 250,000 because it rewards GMs who are staying active and taking a chance on fringe and up and coming players. The bump in minimum salary isn't huge but it would make guys think twice on signing someone. You could implement it on one year offers though
2. Multi-year contracts must be $1 mil per year, minimum - same as above
3. Shorter contracts for draft picks (2 years, 3rd year option, 4th year increase) - this kind of decreases the value of a draft pick in some ways because their greatest value lies in the length of their contract and their relative cheapness compared with FAs
4. Require a $2 mil bump on option years for re-signs - this is a hefty bump in salary. I'm not totally against it but I think a $1 mil bump would be a better option. It would still get guys thinking carefully about these option years but wouldn't be as prohibitive
5. Move to 4 re-signs again - I like this
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Post by moltreszwarriors on Jun 30, 2017 23:47:53 GMT -5
I definitely think we should move back to 4 re-signs in a period. I'm opposed to everything else, but not that strongly.
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Post by studiscus(Vegas) on Jul 1, 2017 7:05:21 GMT -5
Rule changes I can get behind...
-4 resigns in a given period, should help stabilize the contract and FA madness.
Rule changes I am luke warm on...
-Minimum 1mil. on multi years FA deals. Not sure if this does much at all. If anything it punishes savvy investors.
-$500,000 min. on all bids, just feels like change for the sake of change. Not supporting but not steadfast against either.
- 2mil. bump on option years, I can go either way on this. Maybe split the difference and make it a 1mil. bump as stated by another owner above.
Rule Changes I am against...
-Shorter rookie deals, I've stated my opinion in the mod thread. Once again not sure how it helps other than speeding up rookie FA decisions. At the same time a good draft pick is slightly less valuable to the team that drafted him.
To sum up, I don't believe in change simply dor the sake of change. I am clearly in favor for more resigns and would be suprised if any owner is against it. I am also clearly against shorter rookie deals. They represent hope for lottery teams, huge trade assets, and some of the best values in the league. Changing their length only cheapens all that.
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Post by Toronto Raptors on Jul 1, 2017 9:03:00 GMT -5
1. Raise the minimum salary to 500K on all bids. I can live with this
2. Multi-year contracts must be $1 mil per year, minimum. Same as above
3. Shorter contracts for draft picks (2 years, 3rd year option, 4th year increase) This doesn't make since to me it cheapens our #1 asset
4. Require a $2 mil bump on option years for re-signs. I don't have an issue with this
5. Move to 4 re-signs again (this allows more players to go through the re-sign process = more realistic contracts for more players) 100% agree
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Post by fernans (MIAMI HEAT) on Jul 1, 2017 9:57:39 GMT -5
I'm opening this to the league after we had some great conversations in the mod lounge. Here are some of the ideas that were discussed: 1. Raise the minimum salary to 500K on all bids. 2. Multi-year contracts must be $1 mil per year, minimum 3. Shorter contracts for draft picks (2 years, 3rd year option, 4th year increase) 4. Require a $2 mil bump on option years for re-signs 5. Move to 4 re-signs again (this allows more players to go through the re-sign process = more realistic contracts for more players) If anyone has any thoughts on those topics, or on any other ideas, please post here. We would love to come away with one or two rule changes to better this league. Im all in on 1, 4, and 5. Hesitant on 2. Gave 3 some more thought and have to say no.
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Post by Miege22 on Jul 1, 2017 12:41:35 GMT -5
Glad to see we're getting some good responses here. With the four re-signs move being popular (I thought it would be), I want to introduce a potential tweak on that rule change:
What I would suggest to that is we make 2 of the 4 re-sign spots the designated player slots. A designated player slot acts as a normal re-sign (4 years with a 5th year option). This allows the team to make the long-term commitment normally associated with said player, and they could continue to do so for their careers if they so choose.
The other 2 slots would become non-preferred re-signs, or secondary re-sign slots. With these slots, teams can only offer 2 years with a 3rd year option, and they would reset every 8th year. I went with 8 because it would make sure everyone started on an even playing field, and no one would luck out with timing. So, the designated player slots would follow this timeline:
DPS - 2020-2024; 2025-2029 NPRS - 2020-2027; 2028-2035
By the time we get to 2020, the only contracts we should have ending in 2025 are incoming rookies.
What does this do? This allows for teams to hold onto their star players they're already using re-signs on, while also keeping two additional players WHILE also guaranteeing more high-level talent makes it to the FA pool more frequently. It also creates a big enough re-sign period for non-preferred re-signs that owners likely wouldn't be concerned about holding those spots. At the moment, there is a way to strategically game the re-sign system. It takes a lot of foresight and some luck, but it can be done.
Now, we're not trying to make rule changes for rule changes sake. The goal with any rule change is to increase player movement. We've seen trading come to a screeching halt (though it appears to be on the way up this off-season). What I've noticed are owners super reluctant to trade potential re-sign eligible players, and draft picks being heavily, almost obscenely, weighted. The re-sign changes and draft contract changes should help those two issues.
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Post by MemphisGM on Jul 2, 2017 14:11:11 GMT -5
I'm opening this to the league after we had some great conversations in the mod lounge. Here are some of the ideas that were discussed: 1. Raise the minimum salary to 500K on all bids. 2. Multi-year contracts must be $1 mil per year, minimum 3. Shorter contracts for draft picks (2 years, 3rd year option, 4th year increase) 4. Require a $2 mil bump on option years for re-signs 5. Move to 4 re-signs again (this allows more players to go through the re-sign process = more realistic contracts for more players) If anyone has any thoughts on those topics, or on any other ideas, please post here. We would love to come away with one or two rule changes to better this league. I'd like to hear what the reasons are for each specific rule, because we need to understand and agree on the issues they are aimed to solve before we can discuss if these rule changes will be effective in doing so. In your last post you mention we would want more player movement and more talent in FA, but while keeping the crazy contracts in check. Moving back to 4 resigns seems counter productive to player movement, and while more resigned players mean more good contracts, it doesn't solve the FA bidding. It might even make the FA bidding worse because the available money will be divided among fewer and lesser players. On the rookie contracts, I don't think they're that great safe for the absolute top picks. It's very expensive for the players that need some time to develop, and if they don't pan out you're stuck with a 3mio+ contract for 3 years at least. I think the current high value of picks is because more teams seem to go for a rebuild, not just because rookie contracts are so good. I think most of these issues boil down on strategy of our owners. If many owners want to go for a superstar and throw a lot of money at it in FA, contracts are crazy. But that presents an opportunity for other owners to go for a deep team because a lot of money in the league will be tied up on a few contracts. 4 seems like a problem for the lesser resigns, for example a 6 millon resign player would need to get a 33,3% increase in salary for the option year, while it's less significant for a max deal player. If you want this (and I think that's fair) maybe a %-amount would be better (like 20%). I do like raising the minimum contract value, currently there's very little downside on taking a chance on a 5 year minimum contract, if it doesn't work out it's just a 250k cap hit. While I do not want to discourage savvy owners, I think the current risk is too low vs the reward.
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Post by HawkEye on Jul 5, 2017 18:45:22 GMT -5
Guys, how about this idea an FA player can be bought back by the previous owner if he can match the winning bid in free agency. Even if we're out of resigns, we still have a chance of bringing back a player. This will benefit the owners who have managed their salary cap well also.
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Post by Miege22 on Jul 6, 2017 13:26:49 GMT -5
I don't hate the idea of restricted free agency, though if we went that route, I would be in favor of doing two "franchise" players that were not subject to outside bidding.
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Post by shahrom93 on Aug 26, 2017 4:53:48 GMT -5
I have one suggestion. I think if we add a buyout option to the rules it would be a great addition. I believe the owners that know how to manage their salary cap should have the option to buyout their bad contracts. In NBA teams have the option to buyout players. Most Dynasty leagues with salary cap that I have participated in the past had a buyout option. I just thought I should throw this idea out there and see what the mods think?
Thanks Chicago
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Post by Miege22 on Sept 18, 2017 15:47:18 GMT -5
I have one suggestion. I think if we add a buyout option to the rules it would be a great addition. I believe the owners that know how to manage their salary cap should have the option to buyout their bad contracts. In NBA teams have the option to buyout players. Most Dynasty leagues with salary cap that I have participated in the past had a buyout option. I just thought I should throw this idea out there and see what the mods think? Thanks Chicago I would love to hear some thoughts on this idea. I like the idea of a buyout option, given we now have a league full of (seemingly) committed owners. Only tweak I would have is allowing maybe only 1 or 2 buyouts every so often, the same way we do with re-signs.
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Post by Kots (Colorado GM) on Sept 19, 2017 6:18:49 GMT -5
I have one suggestion. I think if we add a buyout option to the rules it would be a great addition. I believe the owners that know how to manage their salary cap should have the option to buyout their bad contracts. In NBA teams have the option to buyout players. Most Dynasty leagues with salary cap that I have participated in the past had a buyout option. I just thought I should throw this idea out there and see what the mods think? Thanks Chicago I would love to hear some thoughts on this idea. I like the idea of a buyout option, given we now have a league full of (seemingly) committed owners. Only tweak I would have is allowing maybe only 1 or 2 buyouts every so often, the same way we do with re-signs. Excuse my ignorance here but how would the buyout principle work? Is this not why we have the waiver rule?
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Post by Miege22 on Sept 20, 2017 1:10:48 GMT -5
My guess is, and I wouldn't want to speak for Chicago (so if I'm wrong, please correct me), that there would be a sliding scale for buyouts based on years remaining and salary paid.
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Post by Tampa Bay Bull Sharks on Sept 20, 2017 7:46:01 GMT -5
Would we run it on the same scale as the waiver rule?
For example, you've want to waive Player X who makes $4,000,000 per year through the 2020 season.
Waiving him is a cap hit of $3,000,000 through the 2020 ($9,000,000 over those 3 years). Would the buyout essentially be something to the effect of pay $9,000,000 today and you're one and done?
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