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Post by Miege22 on Aug 8, 2022 11:49:45 GMT -5
Per the discussion in the discord/FA discussion, I'm creating this thread for discussion of buying draft picks and whether rule changes need to be put in place. Highlights (please fill in with what I miss and your opinions):
-Do we need to cap the amount of money a team can trade for picks? -Do we need to cap the amount of money, period, a team can trade during a league year (start of off-season through trade deadline)? -Do we need to move a soft salary cap? -Should a penalty be instituted for teams that exceed $65 million + cash available for deals?
Please share any and all thoughts.
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Post by Phoenix Suns on Aug 8, 2022 12:02:42 GMT -5
I prefer the idea of capping the total money available per team, rather than capping the cash trade value of draft picks.
The ideal settings for me would be something like: - 65m base cap - 70m max hard cap reachable via trade - no limit on draft pick trades (the hard cap would automatically take care of the issues) - cap resets every offseason so even if I reach 70m during the season I still need to trim down to 65 before the next season
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Post by Tampa Bay Bull Sharks on Aug 8, 2022 12:12:37 GMT -5
I prefer the idea of capping the total money available per team, rather than capping the cash trade value of draft picks. The ideal settings for me would be something like: - 65m base cap - 70m max hard cap reachable via trade - no limit on draft pick trades (the hard cap would automatically take care of the issues) - cap resets every offseason so even if I reach 70m during the season I still need to trim down to 65 before the next season This but a step further. - Teams cannot go over the $65M base cap in the off-season - Teams that exceed the cap during the regular season are taxed a flat amount ($500,000?) on their cap the following year.
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Post by crossover (Golden St. GM) on Aug 8, 2022 12:23:56 GMT -5
I was thinking maybe a percentage?
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Post by Miege22 on Aug 8, 2022 13:15:03 GMT -5
I feel like doing a penalty could get tough to track, but if we did...
1. Teams can SEND OUT up to $5 million in trades during the league year (start of FA to trade deadline)
2. Teams may RECEIVE more than $5 million, however, they may not exceed $65 million during the off-season 2a. If a team exceeds $70 million in cap during the season, they will be penalized $500,000 in cap the following year for every $1,000,000 over the $70 mil limit they are
As an example, if a team gets up to $75 million this season, then the following season, their cap would start at $62,500,000. This would allow teams in the running for a title to still "go all in," but they would have to be ok starting from behind the 8 ball the following year.
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Post by Phoenix Suns on Aug 8, 2022 13:25:26 GMT -5
I like this option of the penalty as well. And I think it would work even better if we raised the weight of contract lenght to 0,75 or 1 pts/ year
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Post by fernans (MIAMI HEAT) on Aug 8, 2022 13:30:50 GMT -5
agree with everything here. but my question- how do teams receive money and not go over the $65 million during the off-season at the same time? is the cash considered as additional cap space?
meaning, where is it factored? and at the same time, where do cap hits from waived players get factored? is it counted as a salary towards the cap or as a deduction from the cap?
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Post by Miege22 on Aug 8, 2022 13:34:00 GMT -5
I like this option of the penalty as well. And I think it would work even better if we raised the weight of contract lenght to 0,75 or 1 pts/ year Oh, this is definitely getting brought to a vote. I mentioned this in the discord, but right now, here's how our bid structure works: $1,000,000 @ 4 years = 3 points $2,700,000 @ 1 year = 3.2 points Here's that same example with years worth 0.75 points: $1,000,000 @ 4 years = 4 points $3,450,000 @ 1 year = 4.2 points and here it is with years worth 1 point: $1,000,000 @ 4 years = 5 points $4,200,000 @ 1 year = 5.2 points 0.75/year probably makes the most sense.
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Post by Miege22 on Aug 8, 2022 13:36:25 GMT -5
agree with everything here. but my question- how do teams receive money and not go over the $65 million during the off-season at the same time? is the cash considered as additional cap space? meaning, where is it factored? and at the same time, where do cap hits from waived players get factored? is it counted as a salary towards the cap or as a deduction from the cap? You're right, the way it is written would eliminate cash from trades until the season started. Maybe we say they can't exceed $3 million during the off-season? I've always treated waived player hits as ADDITIONAL salary. The way I view it, this is money you are carrying, not money to be deducted from a finite number. Obviously, yes, with a change, the way that is viewed would have to become uniform.
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Post by fernans (MIAMI HEAT) on Aug 8, 2022 13:37:14 GMT -5
I feel like doing a penalty could get tough to track, but if we did... 1. Teams can SEND OUT up to $5 million in trades during the league year (start of FA to trade deadline) 2. Teams may RECEIVE more than $5 million, however, they may not exceed $65 million during the off-season 2a. If a team exceeds $70 million in cap during the season, they will be penalized $500,000 in cap the following year for every $1,000,000 over the $70 mil limit they areAs an example, if a team gets up to $75 million this season, then the following season, their cap would start at $62,500,000. This would allow teams in the running for a title to still "go all in," but they would have to be ok starting from behind the 8 ball the following year. they can start at 62.5 but still trade for cash, right? like not saying you would do this, but you're loaded with picks. technically, every year you can trade each pick for $5m and slam the free agency market with one year deals and go for it each year. i think a loophole still exists there. the $65m should be a hard cap during the offseason, then once the season starts maybe up it to a $70m hard cap with a penalty for using that additional $5m. if someone works to manage their roster, contracts, etc., then they can have a full roster with $5-10m in cap space left to use as cash for a deal. i don't think there is a shortage of cash in this league, just look at what jerami grant is being offered.
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Post by Kots (Colorado GM) on Aug 8, 2022 19:27:45 GMT -5
I feel like doing a penalty could get tough to track, but if we did... 1. Teams can SEND OUT up to $5 million in trades during the league year (start of FA to trade deadline) 2. Teams may RECEIVE more than $5 million, however, they may not exceed $65 million during the off-season 2a. If a team exceeds $70 million in cap during the season, they will be penalized $500,000 in cap the following year for every $1,000,000 over the $70 mil limit they are As an example, if a team gets up to $75 million this season, then the following season, their cap would start at $62,500,000. This would allow teams in the running for a title to still "go all in," but they would have to be ok starting from behind the 8 ball the following year. they can start at 62.5 but still trade for cash, right? like not saying you would do this, but you're loaded with picks. technically, every year you can trade each pick for $5m and slam the free agency market with one year deals and go for it each year. i think a loophole still exists there. the $65m should be a hard cap during the offseason, then once the season starts maybe up it to a $70m hard cap with a penalty for using that additional $5m. if someone works to manage their roster, contracts, etc., then they can have a full roster with $5-10m in cap space left to use as cash for a deal. i don't think there is a shortage of cash in this league, just look at what jerami grant is being offered. What about not allowing picks to be traded for $$? Might alleviate this issue.
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